Weird visual things

July 14, 2007 at 8:52 am 17 comments

So, I have weird eyes and weird vision. I may have mentioned this before, but I’m going to go into a bit more detail. I’m not claiming any of these things are pathological. They’re mostly things I’ve always had and generally perceive as ‘normal’. I have no idea how prevalent they are generally.

Oh, and if you have migraines with auras, please read this because I’d appreciate your comments on a few things. (I don’t have migraines, but a couple of these things sound similar to migraine auras).

[Quick warning: There will be a small, but very flickery animated gif further down.]

Possibly a Squint

We’ll start off with the one thing that’s been medically observed. This is my possibly-a-squint. I’ve thought of it as a squint, because that’s how the optometrist described it when I was 17, but I think there may have been some over-simplification going on.

Anyway, I first noticed my probably-not-really-a-squint when I was 17. I was working in a shop and getting headaches from the way that changing focal distances (ie. looking up from the till). For a couple of moments, my eyes wouldn’t focus properly, so I’d see double. The two images would very quickly move together and fuse into normal vision. It happened most often when I was tired and was kind of annoying.

The optometrist did the various tests and came up with the squint diagnosis. I think, however, he was simplifying things a little. Most types of strabismus are obvious – the eyes don’t line up. I don’t have that. What I think he was saying is that I have a ‘latent squint’. One or both eyes doesn’t automatically line up the right way with the other and my brain has to tell the eye to focus properly. It’s compensated, in other words. I have a tendency to read with one eye closed and when I get up, if I’m particularly tired, I won’t be able to keep both eyes open at the same time for half an hour or more. If I’m not tired and pay attention, I’ll notice that it takes me a moment or two to focus, but mostly I’m not conscious of the process (my visual system probably blanks out the input from one eye directly after I refocus).

Visual Snow

This has been around for a while and it’s another thing I don’t really notice consciously. I’m still not sure if I’m right in calling it visual snow, because I don’t really have anything to compare it to. On balance, I think it’s probably not something everyone experiences, so I’ll go ahead and describe it.

Imagine looking at the world through a kind of haze of static. A bit like a TV not quite tuned in to the station. It’s particularly noticeable against dark objects and pretty much everything in dim lights. Things that are naturally complex (trees, for example) aren’t really affected. But it’s also very evident against bright objects like an overcast sky (a cloudless sky has its own visual effects, but those are ones I share with everyone to a large extent).

It doesn’t really impede my vision. It doesn’t get in the way, normally. Sometimes it does become more extreme. It tends to be worse if I’m under a lot of stress. For example, at the beginning of the year when I was doing a lot of sitting in waiting rooms feeling rather crazy, it was very noticeable. When I was taking citalopram it would become quite impairing when I was heading towards a crash in mood. I described it to my doctor as being unable to do much except sit back and watch my ceiling dissolve into static.

Swirly things

You get pictures for this one:

Weird Swirly Thing

This is something that happens very occasionally, for no apparent reason. I can be walking along, and suddenly my visual field will be filled with these things, maybe 20 of them all spinning in place. They appear to be directly in front of me, perhaps a meter or two away. They last for up to a minute, then disappear. It’s been suggested that this might be retinal detachment (which would be bad), but as I understand it, that’s characterised by flashes from the edge of the visual field rather than things swirling around in front of you. Plus, I’ve been having them since I was 10 or 11 and nothing was picked up by the optometrist who did my eye test.

So, I have no idea what causes them and if anyone can suggest anything I’d love to hear it.

Flickering lines

This is one thing I’m interested in hearing about from people who have migraines. Now, I don’t have migraines, so I’d like to know if this is something that you might experience during an aura.

Occasionally, lines will flicker drastically for no apparent reason. The effect is particularly pronounced with paving slabs, but while it’s happening anything I’m looking at which has a regular pattern of lines will flicker. If I keep my vision perfectly still nothing happens, but moving my eyes across a surface (as you do, if walking over paving slabs) does it. It’s kind of like scanlines slowly moving down a display; very visually active.

Apart from being distracting, it’s not really a problem. It’s just… odd. I used to notice it quite a lot when I was walking to university, but it didn’t seem to have anything to do with light conditions or anything except me.

Now this sounds similar to symptoms I’ve heard migraine sufferers talk about. Obviously not the main one, because the headache from hell must take up quite a lot of your attention. Feel free to tell me I’m talking crap if that’s what I’m doing.

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  • 1. patientanonymous  |  July 15, 2007 at 10:33 pm

    Okay, this is well…kind of interesting but I hope it’s again, not too troublesome or bothersome for you.

    For my migraines, they usually present as auras actually–then they just take off into full headache mode. I do get a bit of warning and then it’s time to pop the meds. The only visual business is light sensitivity so I don’t experience anything like the above.

    Now, I’m going to go out on a limb here…have you thought about Simple Partial Seizures? I don’t want to flip you out…I’m the Simple Partial Seizure Queen and have so many types of symptoms it reads like a laundry list.

    I’m not sure as I don’t know how long these episodes last. I also have no clue how long a Simple Partial could last (beyond what I believe was my lovely episode of Epilepsia Partialis Continua.) That was hours and I was twitching like a mad fool. The only eye weirdness I’ve had was something called “scintillations” which is like seeing stars.

    Again, I’m not a neurologist…no idea but there are so many varieties of seizures. Mine are generally (or have been) fairly short in duration…less than a minute? I try to time them but I do get somewhat altered in consciousness. With Simple Partials you can get a bit altered but do not lose total consciousness.

    You could look up the other general symptoms of Simple Partials and see if you’re experiencing anything there.

    Here’s a good overview:

    http://www.emedicine.com/neuro/topic342.htm

    Now if it’s just visual and again…I’m not saying they are seizures, it could be some wackiness going on in your occipital lobe only?

    Also, I almost forgot…you can have a “migraine” without pain! Ah yes…just the aura. It’s called an “Acephalgic Migraine.” Yes. So we could jump off the seizure train now and you could definitely be getting auras without the migraines.

    Oops. Sorry to totally confuse the matter?

  • 2. experimental chimp  |  July 15, 2007 at 11:50 pm

    PA: Thanks for this response. Having someone else thinking along the same lines is reassuring.

    I’d considered simple partial seizures. Thinking about it, the swirly things are a good fit. They always follow the same course and are of short duration. They only happen rarely, though, so they’re not really a big deal.

    The visual snow thing could be a persistent acephalgic migraine aura. (According to Wikipedia, that’s how it was classed when first described in the 80′s).

    I think the first thing I need to do is to get an eye exam to rule out anything physical. Then, with any luck, a neurology referral will follow. Probably months and months later, but oh well.

  • 3. eleanor  |  July 16, 2007 at 10:48 am

    I’ve also had the flickering lines on the edge of my vision during a migraine.

  • 4. patientanonymous  |  July 17, 2007 at 12:33 am

    Yes, I was going to follow up with another comment but I knew you were smart enough–go to a neurologist just for a check up and a discussion. They deal better with migraine issues (and definitely seizures.) I see one…no worries about it. Yes, it may take a while but if you’re not having serious problems, then I guess it may be manageable?

    Still, freaky and weird.

    I have a problem walking down stairs. Not vertigo but a definite balance problem. If I don’t pay attention sometimes, I could take a fall? I’ve been like that all my life so it’s not meds. And yes, I have brought this up to my neuro. No one knows why or gets it–go figure.

  • 5. darkentries  |  July 18, 2007 at 6:04 pm

    you sound well fucked up mate ;)

    Erm. I get all of those to some extent, usually prior to a migraine. Possibly during as well, but I tend not to notice or care much then.
    I don’t think I get such strong visual auras though, but I know pretty much anything is possible with migraines.
    I would count yourself lucky you don’t actually get migraines, just some mad eye stuff.
    Try getting some sumatriptan and see if it makes it go away. If it does, its a migraine!

  • 6. experimental chimp  |  July 22, 2007 at 1:20 am

    darkentries: “fucked up” is my middle name. Uh… two middle names. The sumatriptan experiment seems like a good idea.

  • 7. KP  |  August 10, 2007 at 2:00 pm

    Hello, I am a migraine researcher conducting an internet based survey about persistent aura – your visual symptoms sound very much so, and I would like to ask you to participate in our survey (which you can send me to kpodoll@ukaachem.de )

    1. Name or screen name (optional):

    2. Email (optional):

    3. Location (optional):

    4. Age:

    5. Sex:

    6. Nationality and Race (optional):

    7. Do you have classic migraine (migraine with aura) or common migraine (migraine without aura)? When did it begin?

    8. What do you take for your classic or common migraine and does it help?

    9. Have you been diagnosed with persistent aura (prolonged migraine aura status)?

    10. What is your visual problem and how long does it last?

    11. Any other problems that you think might be related?

    12. What do you take or do for your vision problem and does it help?

    13. Have you found a trigger for your vision problem?

    14. What tests have you had and the results?

    15. Drug history (pre VS)

    16. Drug history (post VS – effect on VS – negative, positive, not at all)

    17. Do you have a positive family history for migraine? If yes, who is affected?

    18. Other information you want to provide?

  • 8. KP  |  August 10, 2007 at 2:00 pm

    There was a typo in my email, it is kpodoll@ukaachen.de

  • 9. KP  |  August 10, 2007 at 2:03 pm

    I would like to reproduce your post at our website, can you send me the file of the gif illustration?

  • 10. Ian  |  August 18, 2007 at 6:53 am

    Also, you may want to check out the website http://www.visualsnow.com, lots of good info/visual examples, as well as a message board. :)

  • 11. Saturday « Experimental Chimp  |  April 26, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    [...] weird visual stuff is much worse on very bright days. Mostly it’s not too bad, so I’ve never bothered to [...]

  • 12. Porillion  |  July 31, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    The “TV static” one does indeed sound like classic (if I can use that word for something that seems fairly new to medical science) visual snow. I get migraine sometimes with, sometimes without, aura. I’m still not sure whether I have visual snow or not. The grainy appearance, if there at all, is very slight. But I do get a lot of other “symptoms” that I’m yet unsure whether are normal or not; though a few people I’ve asked get very few or none of them: bright “fire-flies” flying around in bright sunlight such as if looking at blue sky, localised involuntary twitching nerves and muscles, spontaneous positive afterimages like someone switched a bright light on and off but without the actual light, pinpoint flashes, “fireworks” or “sparklers” for a second or so on going from sunlight to dim, a kind of “northern lights” effect in my right visual field on going into darkness for a few minutes, and also tinnitus in my ears. These seem common symptoms in those with visual snow.

    I’m unsure myself how to mention these to my doctor and headache specialist, but intend to do so in case it helps in diagnosis of my migraines. The actual visual effects and tinnitus don’t bother me much.

    Your own symptoms sound like they worry you, which is unsurprising perhaps. There is a forum I’ve just discovered for visual snow at: http://thosewithvisualsnow.yuku.com/

    And I’m going to be writing about my own migraine and other health/migraine-related experiences: http://porillion.wordpress.com

  • 13. Aaron  |  September 4, 2008 at 11:34 pm

    I get the weird swirly things too sometimes. I know exactly what you’re talking about. I actually just stumbled across this site because I was looking for more information about it.

  • 14. MWP ultimate  |  September 19, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    Dr. Podoll’s site is fantastic! Found it when I thought I was going crazy with migraine without pain symptoms. What a relief! I suffer through the majority of symptoms found there. They are:

    Forced reminiscence (I call them “mental episodes”)
    Deja Vu
    Visual snow
    Scintillating scotoma
    Blind spots
    Weakness, pains, numbness, tingling
    Vertigo
    Stomach upset, diarhrea, constipation
    Sensitive vision, hearing, smelling, touch
    Eyes sometimes twitch

    Most of this rarely with pain, and when there is the headache it’s not a “typical” migraine but just a dull throb

    I’ve had a couple of MRIs but have yet to see a neuro. Need to do that, though, because the symptoms are becoming more frequent.

  • 15. Clark  |  October 15, 2008 at 2:26 am

    Zig Zag lines waving just off to the side of center vision, seems to be a stress related issue. At least for me anyway. Not hypertensive, so it’s not that. Gota be the stress. Most everyone thinks they handle stress with no problem, but there may be more there than meets the eyes.

  • 16. Valao  |  February 16, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    I see yellow dots from time to time but so what? I`ve seen weirder things, believe me!

  • 17. visual snow  |  November 3, 2011 at 12:33 am

    I had this for a while, I found a natural treatment and cure for visual snow here

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